1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,160 Here are six hours of provocative Air Force audio tapes 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:04,920 have been catalogued and condensed. 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,480 So now the public can finally hear for themselves 4 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,600 what happened when a UFO appeared over one of America's 5 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,480 largest military bases. 6 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:13,520 Carla Wall reports. 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,200 Edwards Air Force Base is one of the largest aircraft 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,960 test centers in the world. 9 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,840 The people who work here know the difference 10 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,880 between an experimental aircraft and a meteor. 11 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,640 But in 1965, they couldn't figure this one out. 12 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,280 I understand you got the new Bob, Roger, 13 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,120 but where about Johnny? 14 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,200 Edwards and Victorville area. 15 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,480 Key excerpts from the declassified tapes 16 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:42,440 have been organized into an audio documentary. 17 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,800 I spoke with Sam Sherman, the documentary producer. 18 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,480 Why did you decide to do something with them? 19 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:51,240 I felt the public should know something about it. 20 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,320 It's a subject that has been ridiculed for many years. 21 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,000 It was a daunting task to make sense out of hours of tape 22 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,720 from dozens of different sources. 23 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,280 I took all the significant pieces of the conversations 24 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,960 from phone patches and ground to air radio, 25 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:09,960 base to base communication, and put them all together 26 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:12,240 so it was like a dramatic program. 27 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,400 Sherman took eight months to assemble the collection of tapes 28 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,280 into a concise and comprehensible account of the Edwards UFO 29 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:20,160 incident. 30 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,280 I was stunned to find out that a squadron of 12 31 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:26,480 UFOs was over Edwards and that there was an alert status 32 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,240 and that five other bases were involved. 33 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:29,240 And Norad was involved. 34 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:30,800 He just shocked me. 35 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,720 This is the power of Edwards. 36 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,800 We have an object now. 37 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,960 What's the field? 38 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:41,400 I can make out red and white flashing light. 39 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,720 The air traffic controller on duty that night 40 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,760 has agreed to speak publicly about the UFO incident 41 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,960 for the first time in three decades. 42 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,800 That interview on an upcoming edition of Sightings. 43 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,360 A new overlap that's been ongoing since 1994. 44 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,760 Brilliant, spherical UFOs are appearing 45 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,160 with uncanny regularity over Northeastern Brazil. 46 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,080 We set a sightings team to investigate 47 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,920 this newly discovered UFO hotspot. 48 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:17,120 For more than two years now, the jungles of Northeastern Brazil 49 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,440 have played host to throngs of pilgrims, 50 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,360 people who travel from all over the world 51 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,600 to a small town of Batre Retay. 52 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,120 Here at precisely 2 p.m. on the first Saturday of each month, 53 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,600 UFOs appear and hover with such regularity 54 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,600 that crowds of up to 10,000 people 55 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,880 have witnessed the phenomenon. 56 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,320 It was a pulsing moon, blue, 57 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,920 and then it became an intense green, 58 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:45,200 turning around, pulsating. 59 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:50,080 It's not a hallucination. 60 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,320 Those of us who were prepared with still and video cameras 61 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,520 verified that there indeed were unidentified disc-shaped 62 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,920 flying objects in the sky, that is, flying saucers. 63 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:03,320 Immediately we aimed the still cameras, 64 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,160 pointing them in that direction, 65 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,680 and we documented the presence of six flying saucers. 66 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,240 Reginaldo Atejive is head of CPU, 67 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,360 one of Brazil's oldest and most respected 68 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,640 paranormal research organizations. 69 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,160 Since 1994, CPU has gathered an impressive gallery 70 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,240 of UFO photographs, as well as collateral data 71 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,360 about strange physical effects 72 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:31,440 generated by the monthly visitations. 73 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,800 On the first day of October 1994, 74 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,920 when we photographed the UFOs, 75 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,000 our equipment detected a very strong electromagnetic field. 76 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,480 The static in the atmosphere increased to a frightening level, 77 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:50,040 and it made the hair of those 6,000 people stand on end. 78 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,840 At the same time that CPU was studying the UFOs 79 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,680 from a scientific point of view, 80 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,160 word spread throughout Brazil that what was happening 81 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,720 in Bacarite was a religious miracle, 82 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,480 a modern-day appearance of the Virgin Mary. 83 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,800 I don't understand anything about ufology. 84 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,280 I couldn't say I'm here with the faith 85 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,000 that it's something from God. 86 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,320 I felt the presence of the Lord, 87 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:19,760 the only ones who don't feel it are the ones who don't have faith. 88 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,320 The Virgin speaks to us through the sun. 89 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,200 Some scholars have compared UFO apparitions 90 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,480 to apparitions of angels and saints and the Virgin Mary. 91 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,080 John Saliba is a professor of religious studies 92 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:35,840 at the University of Detroit. 93 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:37,320 He has written several papers 94 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,120 on the various religious interpretations of the UFO phenomenon. 95 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,240 They come to warn us of disaster, 96 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:47,480 they come to give us spiritual advice, 97 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,640 they come to help us in our struggles here on earth. 98 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,880 And since they are of course superior to us, 99 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:58,520 immensely superior to us, they have a lot to teach us. 100 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,720 The religious overtones of the Bacarite sightings 101 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,320 have also caught the attention of South America's leading UFO researcher 102 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,840 and author, Irene Gronki. 103 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:11,280 The sightings are remarkably similar to one's Gronki investigated 104 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,720 more than 20 years ago in southern Brazil. 105 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:21,160 A little girl of five watched a UFO emitting a beam of light 106 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:26,480 to the opposite side where her mother and sisters 107 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:32,080 were watching the clouds and saw Jesus Christ sitting and our lady. 108 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,320 But it was a hologram. 109 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,840 It was not the real thing. 110 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:40,840 Gronki is now working with Renchanalto Atejive 111 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,960 and CPU on the Bacarite sightings. 112 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,880 It is a unique cooperative effort, 113 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:51,120 exploring the UFOs here from both scientific and spiritual perspectives. 114 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,760 The religious people were very resentful of the scientific people. 115 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:01,400 And vice versa, the society I direct, which is Sydney, 116 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:07,000 we study the two sides and we are more prone to accept. 117 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,360 Scientists together with mysticism. 118 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,560 On her most recent visit, Gronki examined new photographic evidence 119 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,960 at CPU headquarters and she spent several hours at the local newspapers archives, 120 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,080 studying the trend of press accounts. 121 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,120 Of course, this is very important for us, you phologies, 122 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:32,240 when both the press and the authenticity of the photos is proved. 123 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,640 The following day was the first Saturday of the month 124 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,160 and the sightings investigative team accompanied Brazil's preeminent 125 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,680 ufologists to Pacha Retail. 126 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,920 At 2 p.m., a local religious leader announced the arrival of the Virgin Mary 127 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,480 and all eyes turned to the sky. 128 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:54,320 Although no one on our team or anyone in the Brazilian contingent saw any UFOs, 129 00:06:54,320 --> 00:07:00,080 many people in attendance were sure that they had had a supernatural vision. 130 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,880 It was the pupil of the Virgin Mary from the eye of the Virgin Mary. 131 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,400 Based on her investigation at the site, 132 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,880 Gronki believes that the Pacha Retail sightings are being viewed from two angles, 133 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,920 the scientific and metaphysical, and that like a two-way mirror, 134 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,880 your angle determines what you will see. 135 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:24,400 I believe that throughout the ages, 136 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,680 our extraterrestrial superior beings 137 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:36,960 have been trying to teach mankind progress in ethical codes 138 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:44,400 and have used the means proper to the states of preparation 139 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,120 that they found the populace is in. 140 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,880 They are now trying to take us a step further. 141 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:57,360 That is why it's so important that a taidi photographed 142 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,440 what was seen in the clouds, 143 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:05,280 which was not an image of Jesus Christ on our Virgin Mary, 144 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,040 but really UFOs. 145 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,800 Gronki believes she understands why most people at Pacha Retail 146 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,520 are seen Christian symbols and not extraterrestrial beings or spacecraft. 147 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:22,160 The reaction of the people, of the crowds that were present 148 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:29,640 was that of fervent Catholics who are seeing these things in the church 149 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,960 and believe they see our Lady. 150 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:40,640 That shows you that all this information they've had throughout the centuries 151 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:45,240 is very well ingrained into people's subconscious. 152 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:58,160 Nearly 81 Irene Gronki hopes that she will live long enough 153 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,160 to fulfill a childhood dream that haunts her to this day 154 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,640 to make contact with the extraterrestrials who've hovered so close, 155 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,640 but so far have chosen not to land. 156 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,640 Next.